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I'd like to start with, I don't think anyone here wants to hurt another person, period, end of story. The next to last thing I want to do is offend anyone, the last thing I want to do is take away or infringe on anyone's rights.


That said, let's start with what a right is. A right is every bit part of ones life as breathing is. In this country we are born with, not granted our rights by some government agency.


That said, we have freedom to assemble and freedom to practice the religion of our choice. Those two freedoms were taken away during the early stages of this virus. Where in the constitution or bill of rights does it say, "These rights listed are in effect unless the [Censored] hits the fan"? Answer is, it doesn't, your rights are your rights, and the more we allow them to infringe upon them now, the more they will infringe upon them later. (Edit) Unless you were part of a riot or BLM march

They dictate that the big box stores get to remain open but mom and pop stores that sell socks, pants, shoes, must close. Why can't mom and pop shops allow 2-3 people in a store at one time to shop, to pay their bills and put food on the table, but Wal mart can allow in hundreds at a time?

How come there was no crazy numbers listed for grocery checkers infected with COVID? Because there were no high numbers?

So landlords had to swallow the loss of income from rent or stores had to pay it even though they weren't open, millions of small businesses across the country had to dig deep into their savings or go belly up due to this, why not allow adults to make adult decisions based on their own lever of assumed risk?

Kids almost never die from this, young adults rarely die from this, why not allow them to continue with their lives? I work on a passenger railroad, I worked every day, no mask, just common sense to me and my co workers precautions.

Some said their right to live trumped another's right to work, well going to work could be the difference between living and dying how many committed suicide during this outbreak? How many unfortunate kids got an extra beating every day because their abusive parent was home all the time and there was no school to escape to? How many battered wives took another beating for the same reason?

How many "fake laws" that's right, FAKE laws were you told existed that weren't real laws? To pass a law there's a process, you go through the legislature, you take the steps, this is not a dictatorship, there's got to be an ordinance past, without one there is no LAW!

So now that we've proven we live in a dictatorship (most states) we can ignore those "orders".


There are real laws on the books in many places that you cannot wear a mask in public, now they tell you you're breaking the law if you don't wear one, make up your minds.


I personally don't agree with abortion, but the my body my choice thing should hold true for everyone for all reasons. If you feel at risk, stay home, enjoy the time away from us sicko's. If I die, I'll at least die a free man, having lived my life as I saw fit. Freedom is not free, it never was, nor will it ever be, there's a price on everything. I'm willing to take that risk, hell I do so every time I step off the curb or drive my car.


I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

I don't begrudge you for wanting to protect yourself from a very real virus, just don't try infringing upon my right to feed my family and move about freely. My life is as precious to me as yours is to you, we just go about living them differently.

Sweeden and 6 states here in the US didn't have a lockdown and they turned out fine, this is about control, the govt forgets that control comes from the citizens, not from the pen. We control and limit govt, not the other way around.

Now, onto the "vaccine", the flu vaccine may work on 40% of cases every year, do you really expect me to load up my body and the body of my kids with a vaccine that is unproven at any level and then add on to it every year as this virus morphs?

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

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Sweden has the seventh highest covid-19 deaths per capita in the entire world. Seventh out of over 200 countries. Yep, real facts are tough. As to bogus science claims, I will only say whether someone thinks they have a particular entitlement has no relevance whatsoever as to whether their belief is true.

In the old days people realized freedoms were earned with responsible actions. Remember the famous quote: “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country”. Now days the people think they are born entitled to do what they please, common good of our country be damned. It is all me, me, me. No wonder we are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
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News flash, we are born with our God Given Rights, they are not granted to us by man, nor earned, you are born with them. If you feel threatened, stay home. Don't expect me to kill my family via starvation or financial burden for anyone.

The Bill of Rights lists our rights in order to protect the smallest minority, the individual, that is me and mine, you don't get to infringe upon my rights. You speak of the old days, as if it were ancient history, I was alive when those words by JFK were spoken.

Another tidbit of information, the last time religious expression was suppressed they "lawfully" had the JEWS march onto box cars to be slaves and killed.

There was also a time in this country that they injected citizens with VD, just because.

There was this other time in this country that they put citizens into concentration camps, legally.

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Crazyboat wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:26 ***Disclaimer***

I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
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RaisedByWolves wrote: 29 Jul 2020, 09:22
Crazyboat wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:26 ***Disclaimer***

I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
I'd say it's spot on. Maybe try something that contains constructive criticism instead of calling it "Tarded", it takes away from you.

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Crazyboat wrote: 31 Jul 2020, 16:21
RaisedByWolves wrote: 29 Jul 2020, 09:22
Crazyboat wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:26 ***Disclaimer***

I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
I'd say it's spot on. Maybe try something that contains constructive criticism instead of calling it "Tarded", it takes away from you.
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RaisedByWolves wrote: 29 Jul 2020, 09:22
Crazyboat wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:26 ***Disclaimer***

I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
The first part is good. The second part is nonsensical.
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What about it makes no sense? It's perfectly suited against the first argument. But let's not get into a pissing match, we're coming at this from different perspectives.

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Crazyboat wrote: 31 Jul 2020, 16:21
RaisedByWolves wrote: 29 Jul 2020, 09:22
Crazyboat wrote: 27 Jul 2020, 16:26 ***Disclaimer***

I'll barrow this I recently read: "You should wear a mask, it protects me from you, just as I wear a mask to protect you from me."

So, why don't you carry a gun, it will protect me from a bad guy looking to do me harm, just as I carry a gun to protect you from a bad guy with a gun.

You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
I'd say it's spot on. Maybe try something that contains constructive criticism instead of calling it "Tarded", it takes away from you.
I don’t concern myself with the opinions of self proclaimed “Sheepdog”

People with this mindset make the rest of the shooting community look foolish.

Is foolish OK?
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RaisedByWolves wrote: 03 Aug 2020, 08:56
Crazyboat wrote: 31 Jul 2020, 16:21
RaisedByWolves wrote: 29 Jul 2020, 09:22
You should give that borrowed analogy back, it’s pants on head tarded.
I'd say it's spot on. Maybe try something that contains constructive criticism instead of calling it "Tarded", it takes away from you.
I don’t concern myself with the opinions of self proclaimed “Sheepdog”

People with this mindset make the rest of the shooting community look foolish.

Is foolish OK?
Again, nothing constructive about your comment. I'm not sure where anyone proclaimed themselves a "sheepdog". But you know what they say about empty barrels. You seem to fit the bill. Good day to you sir/mam. I see where your screen name comes from, so does everyone else.

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Coronavirus is contagious. It spreads from person to person. Wearing a mask is not 100% effective but significantly reduces that exposure. It is simple and no amount of ridiculous comments or fake facts is going to change that.

Our upsurge in infections, hospitalizations, and deaths the is the result in large part of people who ignore simple precautions like wearing a mask when near others. They use bogus analogies, denial to suit their selfish needs, and fakery to justify their actions.

Being blinded by selfishness, they do not see that failing to control contagion puts others at risk. Sadly, they do not seem to give a rat’s ass about that. But they also do not realize it puts their own interests at risk. Their taxes will go up. Their opportunities will be restricted as areas have to impose more close downs. They sure will lose opportunities to travel, go to school, have regular jobs, etc. Wearing a mask does not prevent someone from working or providing for their family. That is just another bogus claim for weak minded people. In fact, just the opposite is true. So, our country is not doing well compared to many others. All because, like spoilt children, the knuckleheads throw a tantrum when told they have to do something as simple as wearing a mask around others.

The longer these selfish people refuse to take needed measures, the longer it will take to control this with even worse damage to the economy and the future of our children.
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[quote=RaisedByWolves post_id=476021 time=1596028930 user_id=22989

People with this mindset make the rest of the shooting community look foolish.

Is foolish OK?
[/quote]


Perhaps not the best word to use but it is a valid concern, nonetheless.
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LDUBS wrote: 03 Aug 2020, 19:41 Coronavirus is contagious. It spreads from person to person. Wearing a mask is not 100% effective but significantly reduces that exposure. It is simple and no amount of ridiculous comments or fake facts is going to change that.

Our upsurge in infections, hospitalizations, and deaths the is the result in large part of people who ignore simple precautions like wearing a mask when near others. They use bogus analogies, denial to suit their selfish needs, and fakery to justify their actions.

Being blinded by selfishness, they do not see that failing to control contagion puts others at risk. Sadly, they do not seem to give a rat’s ass about that. But they also do not realize it puts their own interests at risk. Their taxes will go up. Their opportunities will be restricted as areas have to impose more close downs. They sure will lose opportunities to travel, go to school, have regular jobs, etc. Wearing a mask does not prevent someone from working or providing for their family. That is just another bogus claim for weak minded people. In fact, just the opposite is true. So, our country is not doing well compared to many others. All because, like spoilt children, the knuckleheads throw a tantrum when told they have to do something as simple as wearing a mask around others.

The longer these selfish people refuse to take needed measures, the longer it will take to control this with even worse damage to the economy and the future of our children.
If you can't have a conversation without resorting to BS like calling a persons argument bugus you've lost the argument before you started. See I can bring you a link(s) to my facts, what do you do, try and discredit others with BS.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/veri ... e9fa7759a0

In addition people with medical conditions like COPD and asthma cannot wear a mask, it's also their right to privacy under the law and bill of rights not to disclose that to you or anyone else, look it up before you go off half cocked knowing nothing or exhibiting zero knowledge of the laws. Last I checked freedom to assemble is also covered in the bill of rights, yet the govt overstepped their bounds by closing them all.

So if you can take your head out of your ass long enough to look up the facts and admit that yours's isn't the side that is supported by law then we can talk, for now I'll just go with the idea you're another fool that can't comprehend simple facts.

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Crazyboat wrote: 03 Aug 2020, 20:55
LDUBS wrote: 03 Aug 2020, 19:41 Coronavirus is contagious. It spreads from person to person. Wearing a mask is not 100% effective but significantly reduces that exposure. It is simple and no amount of ridiculous comments or fake facts is going to change that.

Our upsurge in infections, hospitalizations, and deaths the is the result in large part of people who ignore simple precautions like wearing a mask when near others. They use bogus analogies, denial to suit their selfish needs, and fakery to justify their actions.

Being blinded by selfishness, they do not see that failing to control contagion puts others at risk. Sadly, they do not seem to give a rat’s ass about that. But they also do not realize it puts their own interests at risk. Their taxes will go up. Their opportunities will be restricted as areas have to impose more close downs. They sure will lose opportunities to travel, go to school, have regular jobs, etc. Wearing a mask does not prevent someone from working or providing for their family. That is just another bogus claim for weak minded people. In fact, just the opposite is true. So, our country is not doing well compared to many others. All because, like spoilt children, the knuckleheads throw a tantrum when told they have to do something as simple as wearing a mask around others.

The longer these selfish people refuse to take needed measures, the longer it will take to control this with even worse damage to the economy and the future of our children.
If you can't have a conversation without resorting to BS like calling a persons argument bugus you've lost the argument before you started. See I can bring you a link(s) to my facts, what do you do, try and discredit others with BS.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/veri ... e9fa7759a0

In addition people with medical conditions like COPD and asthma cannot wear a mask, it's also their right to privacy under the law and bill of rights not to disclose that to you or anyone else, look it up before you go off half cocked knowing nothing or exhibiting zero knowledge of the laws. Last I checked freedom to assemble is also covered in the bill of rights, yet the govt overstepped their bounds by closing them all.

So if you can take your head out of your ass long enough to look up the facts and admit that yours's isn't the side that is supported by law then we can talk, for now I'll just go with the idea you're another fool that can't comprehend simple facts.

Complains about insults, tells someone to take their head out of their ass and calls them a fool. :roll:

This has turned sadly comical.

It would appear you are getting the discussion you deserve Chief.
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Wrong button
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