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Jigngrub? don't think I'll be replacing anything that doesn't demand it on the motor for a while. But thank you.
I understand... but impellers and foot lube are maintenance items that could leave you stranded if neglected.
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I called the guy with the old "vintage" Evinrude 5 and 7.5 motors. He still has them. We have an appointment.

Assuming they are both in running condition, and do not seem ill-treated, which would you prefer for the 12ft Delhi? It is a light boat.

Think weight (for me lugging it around) may be an issue. Internet search was difficult to tell weights of the two. One has the old bulbous engine cover, the other a more contemporary, smaller and sleek cover. I'm guessing the 7.5 is the big one, and will be somewhat heavier. I won't be going out on big lakes, and will be toting these things by myself.

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For help on that Clinton, try this link to another thread on this forum:

https://www.tinboats.net/forum/viewtopi ... =4&t=14047

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I personally like the ones with the bulbous covers that look like they came from outer space. The 7.5 will put you near the max hp on that boat, and will give you the power to get back to the launch a little quicker should the need arise.
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Some pictures of 1969 12ft Delhi, 1967 3.5 Clinton(Sears), no-name trailer.

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Clinton 3.5
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Motors for sale to be looked at (if the guy ever calls to verify the appointment.)
?7.5 Evinrude
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?5hp Evinrude
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With consideration of $ available, and my general physical condition, I'm leaning towards the 5hp. The old Clinton did just fine for a 45 year-old motor, but a little more ooomph, and more accessible repair opportunities,
make the Evinrudes more attractive to me. I'd rather bruise the budget rather than take chances on failed equipment out on a lake.

For what it is, the 12ft boat is just fine as is. Not a lot of things that CAN be done, much less need to be done. Tinboats kind of encourages folks to start modifying because others have done such neat and functional things to their watercraft.

Really enjoying this site, and going through all the posts.
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That boat is almost just a wide square back canoe!

You're right, she doesn't really need anything, but a fishfinder might be nice, maybe more comfortable seats, and you could paint her metallic purple with orange glow in the dark flames on the sides... but that's about it.
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OK. Busy day.

Picked up a 1964 Evinrude 5.5 Fisherman motor. Heavier than I thought it would, maybe 45lbs. Gas can, hose included. Story is that the father of the man selling it used it as a back-up motor for his Lake Michigan boat, and it was only started a few times each year. Engine is clean, cover scuffed. He started it up three or four times for me, revved it, let it run, and then shut it off. Perfect.

A little hard to focus on the motor, since I was in his garage...er...hanger. He and his wife have a house on a private airstrip, having lived there for 20 years. Four passenger plane. Cessna...er...I want to say 182, but I think that is the one they had before. About 265 hp. Very clean. I stood under the wing as I examined the outboard.

I believe his story about the motor. This guy is "comfortable." :)

Nice man, with a GREAT Gordon Setter dog. I tried to get the dog into the car, but apparently that wasn't part of the deal.

Got home, did duties, then put the 5.5 on the 12ftr and off I went. Had a problem angling the motor forward...or rather, getting it to stay forward. Kept on wanting to be parallel to the transom. I wanted the weight forward as much as possible. Worked out a solution with a tie-down strap. Not sure of the right way to trailer a motor like that.

Lake was empty. Sun was shining, wind was blowing a bit, and sort of cold. Motor worked fine, mostly. Starved out about three times until I spotted the fuel line was pulling out--just enough--to starve it. Going into the chop, I was really aware of the boat slamming waves. Too much weight in back, I fear. I adjusted the trim, but really, this is a 12ft flat bottom boat and I needed another body up front to use the v hull advantage under full power. Out in the wind on the way back, wind was trying to steer the bow. Not fun.

I moved the fuel tank in front of the front seat and put a 50lb bag of garden lime at the bow this evening. We'll see.


and...I say this with some embarrassment, I browsed through Craig's list for 14ft boats. Really 14 is too much boat for me, and I need to give this thing a fair shake, say a year, before I do anything more. Then, there's the money thing.

So far, so good. :)
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1980 Alumacraft Model F7, 1955-56? Johnson 10hp
https://forum.tinboats.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=35326
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Sounds neat....Not sure that being on the water by yourself with a new motor/boat is what I would do. I like crowds around when I try things out for the first time.

Your boat will bring you much pleasure and a lot of excitement over the next twelve months. Keep us posted. regards, Rich
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Thanks Rich, I really didn't take chances. It is not a big lake, and I stayed near the shoreline, wearing a PFD and being very cautious of my movements in the little 12. Unlike you, I prefer to do my learning curve (non-hazardous) mistakes and humiliating errors in private. I'm learning, or re-learning, stuff in my senior years that most folks absorb as teenagers and do effortlessly. As a young man, I played with canoes, and some amateur down-river canoe racing, so I am well aware of all of the lethal consequences to being casual on the water.

You know what would be neat? Prohibitively expensive, and time-consuming, and maybe silly...but really neat? Fabricating some watertight extensions on either side the back of the little boat, like that poster had on his big-motor, deep water, go-fast boat. (I'll try and find the link.) They were rectangular extensions on either side of the motor, helping with rear buoyancy, and in effect, lengthening the waterline of the craft.

The interior would be that of a 12ftr, but the boat would really be a...whatever, 14ft. Goofy, huh?

Or, for much less money, labor, and trouble, could just get a bigger boat. :)

But, I'm liking the idea of the extensions. :lol:

Thanks for your wisdom.


(Edit: Couldn't find the link, but went searching. "Extensions," "Pods," "Trim," and a lot of other search words led me all over, but found a nicely illustrated site. By the way, the Australians do amazing things to their watercraft.
Not feasible for me, but glad the concept was somewhat sound. Here's the link: https://www.jphilarnold.com/pods/firstpage.htm
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1980 Alumacraft Model F7, 1955-56? Johnson 10hp
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I think outriggers would serve you better on that boat:

https://www.sailboatstogo.com/v_page.ph ... zer_length

You could make your own with some 6" PVC pipe capped on both ends and whatever you could come up with around the house for cross members.
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A little pvc...some swim noodles (big sized)...and you could make these to fit into some rod holders that you need anyhow. Some guys mount them more permanently.

I made them up for a small canoe. I found out that I didn't really need them after paddling for a while. Still sitting in my shop. rich

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Of course, you are both right.

I said earlier, "it is what it is." I'm just ignoring my own advice and thinking of ways to mess with it. :)

I have more time than talent or money, so envisioning stuff is fun for me.

Thank you.
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Never having been one to be deterred by common sense and accrued wisdom, I kept on chewing on ways to get the bow down of the 12ft boat. I put a 50lb sack of garden lime in the front, figuring that, at worst, the bow would be smacked by a wave and catapult the sack back to hit me in the forehead. :)

At best, it would balance the weight in the boat.

But I had a few days before I could get the boat out, having had a lapse of judgement and buying a 14ft Alumacraft F. I've just finished going over that poor derelict for the fifth time. I am really tired of scouring scum and oxidation, rotten carpet, dead bugs, and 15-year old lichen bits off the hull.

In the meantime, I was reading about tabs, and fins, and how they only work for bigger boats going up on plane, BUT keeping the bow down.

Why, I reasoned, wouldn't they have a similar effect on a smaller boat, even if it wasn't going to plane?

So...

took some lexan, got out my trusty Sportsman's Goop (like silicone), a couple of clamps and made a really crude fin for the ... er...defibrillator...uh...homogenizer...turmoil eliminator...damn...that fin above the propeller. I figured part of its function would be to redirect the water movement down and backwards and mitigate the push up by the prop. (Well, it made sense at the time.)

I reckoned it would be dislodged by the force of the water, but didn't want to drill and bolt anything to the motor. The Goop can be taken off with no damage to the metal. It stayed put during the test runs. :)

Had the boat out today. Again, it was windy, 10-15 mph, mid-40's, with a front pushing thunderstorms our way. I launched the boat, warmed it up, and accelerated with the wind at my back.

Whether it was the weight in front (probably), or the combination of the weight and lexan thingie, the little boat stayed on form, using its bow to cut water, rather than rising up above it. Going back into the wind, got some slap, but nothing at all like the previous times out. It bounced up a bit, but came right back down into the next wave.

Boat is really too small to play in water like that, and the hull design was never made for choppy or rough conditions, but this stuff happens. I'm much more comfortable with it now.

Here's the defibrillator:
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(I know it is silly, but it was kind of fun to think I did more than add a sack of lime to the boat.)

If we EVER get some mild weather, I'll take the lime out and try just the fin. As it was, I was really cold by the time this outing was over.
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1980 Alumacraft Model F7, 1955-56? Johnson 10hp
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Well done. I love an experimenter....especially one who gets results from his work.

When comparing Fins (defibrillator!!!) to Tabs....I suggest you review the tape here

https://www.nauticusinc.com/system_overview.htm

Might show that they BOTH work... and they work in different ways. Rich
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While I still like "defibrillator," I admit I was pretty tired yesterday and just could not remember the correct term.

This from one web post: "The purpose of the plate (call it what you want - doesn't really matter) is to make it more difficult for air to get to the prop from the surface of the water."

In doing a web search, found this in a 2006 posting on a site, where some pretty experienced guys were bickering over the correct term:
"I realize the fact the the plate has nothing to do with cavitation, and its proper term should be ventilation plate.
I posted the yamaha site to show that they call it a cavitation plate. Its not just a "new boater" that confuses the term, apparently its the people that build the damn engine as well."


So, although "defibrillator" still has my affection, the name of the thingie is (perhaps) "cavitation" plate, "anti-cavitation" plate, "ventilation" plate, or something else.

No where did I find that they were to be used by small motors on small boats.


Peace, out. :lol:
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1980 Alumacraft Model F7, 1955-56? Johnson 10hp
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1956 Alumacraft Model RB
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