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Rookie's first project- 1648 jon

Post by canis521 » 15 Sep 2008, 18:23

I recently bought this 1648 Bass Tracker that I would like to convert to a duck hunting rig.
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This is the first boat I have owned and obviously the first project like this for me so I have lots of rookie questions.

I started by removing the rotted wood in the decking.
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The foam in the middle looks good, but I assume I should replace the foam between the livewells and in the rear compartment. Any source for replacement foam?

What are the thoughts on material for replacing the floor? I like the idea of maintenance free (?) aluminum, but cost will be a factor. If I went with aluminum I am assuming one piece per area is probably better than piecing a floor together.

After reading dicussions on here it sounds like treated plywood is not a good option. Marine plywood is expensive but definitely less than aluminum.

I will probably keep the carpet that is attched to any aluminum- it seems to be in good shape. I was thinking Hydroturf for the flooring areas- any comments on Hydroturf vs. carpet?

This site was recommended to me by someone on another forum; there seems to be a wealth of onfo here. Thanks in advance for any comments and suggestions. I am certain I will have many more questions.

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Re: Rookie's first project- 1648 jon

Post by BLK fisher » 15 Sep 2008, 18:27

Good luck with the mod. The best part is you can make it how you like it.

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Post by phased » 15 Sep 2008, 18:32

Welcome aboard canis521. Nice boat.

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Post by SlimeTime » 15 Sep 2008, 18:55

:WELCOME: A duck hunter with a K-9 screen-name?? :mrgreen: Nice boat! Why use a boat with a console for a duck-boat? I'm not a duck hunter, but most I've seen are more of an open layout?

I'm not sure if the expanding foam insulation (in a can) would work or not? Anyone know if it repels water? Decking would be your call, aluminum as you mentioned is alot more expensive, and not everyone can work with it. If you use wood, just paint or seal it well. You can get indoor/outdoor carpet about anywhere, but you might be limited to something that'll match your existing carpet.

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Re: Rookie's first project- 1648 jon

Post by dedawg1149 » 15 Sep 2008, 19:58

welcome aboard the foam in a can is not closed cell it will hold water you need a closed cell type foam ,i would go with marine grade plywood for the floor
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Post by bassboy1 » 15 Sep 2008, 20:23

dedawg1149 wrote:welcome aboard the foam in a can is not closed cell it will hold water you need a closed cell type foam ,i would go with marine grade plywood for the floor
Wrong. It is closed cell. Basically the same stuff as the two part foam that was originally poured in your boat, but not cost effective if comparing it to the gallons that you mix.

I wouldn't waste the money for marine grade, unless you are building wooden hulls out of it, and I have plans for some of those in the future, and still probably won't waste the money on it. The cabinet grade plywood available at Lowes and Home Depot should be the most cost effective. We just bought a couple sheets of that to make the stringers on the canvas kayaks we are going to be building soon. The last kayak dad made lasted 20 years before he sold it, and it only used sheathing grade. I would just coat a plywood deck in spar varnish when I install it, if I ever went the plywood route (aluminum is oh so much more better. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: )

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Post by canis521 » 15 Sep 2008, 20:43

Thanks for the welcomes all!

I am leaning towards aluminum. What alloy would be best for this project- which would resist corrosion best? What thickness would you recommend? I can get pretty decent pricing on 24"x48" diamond plate- but it would mean seams- not sure if it would be a good idea.

There is a local company that makes all kind of foam products for construction. I would assume they have a closed cell foam product that would work. I will let everyone know what I find.

I was a bit leery of the amount of space the console would take up but I think I will be okay. I usually hunt with myself and one other plus one of my two dogs (on occasion both dogs). Honestly I am not sure what it would entail to remove/move the console and all its integrated components- like the steering wheel!

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Post by dedawg1149 » 15 Sep 2008, 20:46

bassboy1 wrote:
dedawg1149 wrote:welcome aboard the foam in a can is not closed cell it will hold water you need a closed cell type foam ,i would go with marine grade plywood for the floor
Wrong. It is closed cell. Basically the same stuff as the two part foam that was originally poured in your boat, but not cost effective if comparing it to the gallons that you mix.

I wouldn't waste the money for marine grade, unless you are building wooden hulls out of it, and I have plans for some of those in the future, and still probably won't waste the money on it. The cabinet grade plywood available at Lowes and Home Depot should be the most cost effective. We just bought a couple sheets of that to make the stringers on the canvas kayaks we are going to be building soon. The last kayak dad made lasted 20 years before he sold it, and it only used sheathing grade. I would just coat a plywood deck in spar varnish when I install it, if I ever went the plywood route (aluminum is oh so much more better. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: )
i guess i was wrong on the foam thought i had read somewhere were it was not closed cell,my bad but i will stick with marine grade plywood my boat turn out perfect and my carpet aint coming lose everywhere
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Post by bassboy1 » 15 Sep 2008, 21:44

canis521 wrote:Thanks for the welcomes all!

I am leaning towards aluminum. What alloy would be best for this project- which would resist corrosion best? What thickness would you recommend? I can get pretty decent pricing on 24"x48" diamond plate- but it would mean seams- not sure if it would be a good idea.

There is a local company that makes all kind of foam products for construction. I would assume they have a closed cell foam product that would work. I will let everyone know what I find.

I was a bit leery of the amount of space the console would take up but I think I will be okay. I usually hunt with myself and one other plus one of my two dogs (on occasion both dogs). Honestly I am not sure what it would entail to remove/move the console and all its integrated components- like the steering wheel!
5052 would be the best for boat work alloys. It has excellent corrosion resistance, easily workable, bends well, welds well etc. But, you may have to settle. On my boat, I used 6061 T6, just because that is what I could get a good price on. It eliminated all possibility of bending, but it is significantly stiffer than some others. I didn't do any welding - just riveting, but the 6061 would be a fairly good candidate for welding. If you are planning on leaving the aluminum bare, you may want to go with a 3000 alloy - not as stiff, but has the best finish. Don't know the specs on corrosion resistant though.

As far as the plywood. This is my opinion, and my opinion only, but marine grade isn't worth it. It costs, what, about 90 bucks a sheet these days? :shock: The difference is that it is made of a fir, whereas the cabinet ply or better yet, the sandply (has footballs in outer layers, but isn't as fine as cabinet ply) is made of usually spruce. Spruce, in and of itself, isn't horrible for boatbuilding, and in fact, some of the kayak and sailboat plans we have call for spruce. The other difference is that in the marine ply has footballs in all the layers, whereas the sandply has it only on the outer layers. Plus, for 35 bucks a sheet, as opposed to 90, unless you are made of money, the answer seems clear again, in my opinion.

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Post by dedawg1149 » 15 Sep 2008, 22:00

there is a supply company here were i get marine grade for 25.00 a sheet =D>
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Post by bassboy1 » 15 Sep 2008, 22:16

dedawg1149 wrote:there is a supply company here were i get marine grade for 25.00 a sheet =D>
Well aren't you lucky. I can't even get the project grade sandply for that down here.

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Post by canis521 » 15 Sep 2008, 22:20

Bassboy1-

What thickness did you use? Did you use a single sheet to cover everything, or did you have seams? If you had seams did you do anything to seal the seam? I do plan on putting carpet or some other material on the aluminum.

Should the aluminum be attached directly to the runners on the hull or should there be a material (i.e., rubber stripping, weather stripping, etc)to dampen the metal to metal contact?

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Post by dedawg1149 » 15 Sep 2008, 22:20

yeah cabinet grade is 10.00 just i have to buy it when he gets it in goes guick,that is why i use marine grade
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Post by fowlmood77 » 15 Sep 2008, 22:26

Try this guy for foam.
http://www.jgreer.com/Foam%20Page.htm
I have done business with this guy before, prices are good and products are quality.
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Post by Waterwings » 15 Sep 2008, 22:29

canis521 wrote:...Should the aluminum be attached directly to the runners on the hull or should there be a material (i.e., rubber stripping, weather stripping, etc)to dampen the metal to metal contact?
If I were doing it I would probably add something between the metal surfaces.
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