Has anyone ever had an arrow 'snap-back'?

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RiverBottomOutdoors » 20 Nov 2013, 07:21 wrote:Safety slides do work...they keep the line in front of the rest and away from cable and string! Don't be stupid and tie to the back of the arrow!
Clearly you haven't seen this video.... Lose the retriers and start tying to the arrow

https://bow.fishingcountry.com/forums/sh ... back-video

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LOL....that's the stupidest thing I've watched all day.

Safety slides work by keeping the line in front of the rest PREVENTING the line from getting tangled in the first place. Tying to the back of the arrow is an idiot move especially if you are fishing with a partner. I don't care what you do alone...but in my boat with people that may end up paying the price for your negligence....you're going to do everything the safest way possible. Period.

The reason fast flight needs to break is because of dummies that forget to push the button on the reel.

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RiverBottomOutdoors » 20 Nov 2013, 12:19 wrote:LOL....that's the stupidest thing I've watched all day.

Safety slides work by keeping the line in front of the rest PREVENTING the line from getting tangled in the first place. Tying to the back of the arrow is an idiot move especially if you are fishing with a partner. I don't care what you do alone...but in my boat with people that may end up paying the price for your negligence....you're going to do everything the safest way possible. Period.

The reason fast flight needs to break is because of dummies that forget to push the button on the reel.
So on this very thread there is evidence of SnapBack using AMS saftey slides. Which don't actually work since the arrow can clearly snap back. The line can still get tangled coming out of the retriever and therefor SnapBack.

I show you a video with a set up that eliminates the possibility of SnapBack. And you think it's stupid?

I fired thousands of shots this year tied to the back, no issues! With my setup if you don't hit the button, and try and draw back the arrow will come un-nocked and fall off the string.

Don't worry friend, I don't see us fishing together anytime soon.

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Thousands of shots, numerous tangles, ABSOLUTELY ZERO SNAPBACKS!!!!!

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Helps prevent snap back.....just like a saw guard helps prevent you from getting your fingers cut off.

Thousands of shots with AMS and safety slides....never had a snap back either. What's your point?

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My point is you're implying it's less safe when in fact actually more safe to tied to the back
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What gets me is why anyone would advocate not using something that can contribute to safety. I have never met anyone, in life or in a forum, that says it is safer to tie to the back of an arrow than it is to use a safety slide...until now. The people I have met that do tie to the back of the arrow concede that it is more dangerous than using a slide but admit it is a risk they are willing to take.

Hey kids....don't worry about your seat belt either while you're at it. You car has airbags, right? That's good enough, son. :roll:

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There is no risk of SnapBack when using 200lb fast flight or similar line, it is designed to break if the line gets hung up. Therefore it renders the slide useless!!!

The slides are only necessary on retrievers, which suck anyways. The slide itself causes all kinds of accuracy problems, and also dramatically effects how deep you can shoot vs a spinner/no slide set up. The slide itself being bigger than the arrow creates a lot of drag traveling through the water. The line is also heavier which can be a problem when shooting at depths below 3-4 feet.

I'm not making this up, I used to shoot retrievers. Still have 2 sitting in a box. Once I went to a spinner there was no turning back!

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I did just the opposite....started with a muzzy real, went to a AMS and never looked back.

Zero drag on the line, no button to push.

To each his own when it comes to reel or retriever, but there is no debating that using a safety slide is safer than not using one. Your setup may be safe in your eyes, but it can be made even safer with a safety slide. You owe it to the people on your boat to be as safe as possible.

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This is like rationalizing with my sister kids.

Slides are for kids, not arrows!

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LOL...maybe her kids understand what rationalizing means.

Google the big words before you try to use them.

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When I first began bowfishing, I used a recurve bow, and I would tie the line to the TIP of the arrow, not the back end, by threading the line through the small hole where the roll pin holds the tip, and tying a knot in it. Even with my limited knowledge at that time, I knew not to tie it to the tail of the arrow, due to the possibility of getting caught in the bowstring.

Then I bought a crossbow, and ordered some bowfishing bolts from AMS. When they arrived, they already had saf-t-slides installed, and instructions on how to use, along with a warning about not using a saf-t-side. So at that point, I started using them on my arrows as well.

As I said before, I think in my haste to load up and shoot at the flounder, I fumbled the line somehow and got it caught on something, and didn't notice it. That had to be what happened, nothing else is going to cause a snap-back. And yeah, the saf-t-slide reduced the snapback power to a level that it was only a flesh wound, but what if it had been a few inches higher and hit my eye? I don't even want to think about it.

I'm not going to argue the semantics of which bow or reel, etc is better....all I'm saying is that I hope my little mishap serves as a wake-up call that bad things can happen, even when you are using the right equipment.

My experimentation with the shock leader (as the video shows) proves that it is a fail-safe method that reduces ALL snap-back, period. You might lose an arrow, but you can buy more. You only have 2 eyes. I won't ever shoot again without one, saf-t-slide or not, you can bet your a$$ on that! I would hate to hear of someone else experiencing a snap-back and being blinded for life, so, whether or not you use a saf-t-slide, I would strongly recommend using a shock leader.
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The video does not show a shock leader, it shows a Spinner Reel loaded full of 200# fast flight bowfishing line. I personally use a similar line called Monkey Wire.

Won't see to many, if any, tournament winners using saftey slides!

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I was referring to the video I made where I demonstrate the use of the shock leader, firing with the 200# line intentionally fouled around the retriever reel.
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My apologies sir!

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