Piano Hinges

Troutman3000 · Mar 28, 2010

What is the best way to install these? In order for my hatch to be flush the hinge has to be mounted below the deck. Do I just attach another 2 x 2 or something to mount the bottom of the hinge?

Thanks,

Jason

Nussy · Mar 28, 2010

It's hard to tell from your pics your dilemma but with mine I just screwed into the side edges of the hatch and the frame. I have piano hinges that were 3/4 on each side of the actual hinge so they fit perfectly.

dyeguy1212 · Mar 28, 2010

Took me a few tries.. I found it easiest to screw into the hatch, then line it up with the decking and secure it. Don't get discouraged when it takes a couple tries.. it literally took me an hour to put two in. Lack of sleep didn't help :roll:

After taking a look at your pics, how do you plan to support the hatch? If you're going to make the hatch doors flush with the decks, you need some sort of lip hanging out from under the edges of the hole in the deck for the hatch to sit on.

Troutman3000 · Mar 29, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
Took me a few tries.. I found it easiest to screw into the hatch, then line it up with the decking and secure it. Don't get discouraged when it takes a couple tries.. it literally took me an hour to put two in. Lack of sleep didn't help :roll:

After taking a look at your pics, how do you plan to support the hatch? If you're going to make the hatch doors flush with the decks, you need some sort of lip hanging out from under the edges of the hole in the deck for the hatch to sit on.

I dont think my deck is thick enough to screw it into it. The hinge holes wont line up with the deck when the holes are flush. I guess I'll add a 1 x 2 there and around the hatch for support. I would of just used another easier to install hinge on the top, but I want it to look clean, and I paid 16 bucks for the hinge. :shock:

dyeguy1212 · Mar 29, 2010

regardless of the hinge you need something to hold the hatch lid up. Otherwise your foot would be going through it every time.

Troutman3000 · Mar 29, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
regardless of the hinge you need something to hold the hatch lid up. Otherwise your foot would be going through it every time.

Right. I planned to use angle iron or a 1 x 2 to support the hatch. I even thought of installing the piano hinge on the top to avoid adding something else below, its not as "pretty, but its funtional.

wrench001 · Mar 30, 2010

I don't know if it is really an issue or not but I would be leery of screwing into the end grain of plywood. In other projects I've used a full wrap piano hinge. Something like: https://www.hardwaresource.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1330.

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

wrench001 said:
I don't know if it is really an issue or not but I would be leery of screwing into the end grain of plywood. In other projects I've used a full wrap piano hinge. Something like: https://www.hardwaresource.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1330.

I pre-drilled the holes and put really small screws in through the carpet. It should be ok.

Whoopbass · Mar 30, 2010

wrench001 said:
I don't know if it is really an issue or not but I would be leery of screwing into the end grain of plywood. In other projects I've used a full wrap piano hinge. Something like: https://www.hardwaresource.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1330.

Your 100% right. I screwed my piano hinges in the end grain and it isn't holding. I'm going to remove the screws and glue them in and see if that helps.
I wasn't aware of the wrapping hinges until the other day. I was taking the rotted decks apart on a factory made aluminum bass boat and I looked at the deck hinges on it and they were the wrap around kind.

In the least glue the screws in because wood expands and contracts and the screws will work themselves out within months.

ober51 · Mar 30, 2010

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

ober51 said:
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Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

If my hinges fail I plan on just getting some simple stainless steel on teh top hinges. Its a jon boat for God sakes.

dyeguy1212 · Mar 30, 2010

Troutman3000 said:
dyeguy1212 said:

regardless of the hinge you need something to hold the hatch lid up. Otherwise your foot would be going through it every time.

Click to expand...

Right. I planned to use angle iron or a 1 x 2 to support the hatch. I even thought of installing the piano hinge on the top to avoid adding something else below, its not as "pretty, but its funtional.

Doesn't sound functional to me... you'd I don't see any piano hinge holding a lid up on its own when you're standing on it :lol:

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

Troutman3000 said:
dyeguy1212 said:

Took me a few tries.. I found it easiest to screw into the hatch, then line it up with the decking and secure it. Don't get discouraged when it takes a couple tries.. it literally took me an hour to put two in. Lack of sleep didn't help :roll:

After taking a look at your pics, how do you plan to support the hatch? If you're going to make the hatch doors flush with the decks, you need some sort of lip hanging out from under the edges of the hole in the deck for the hatch to sit on.

Click to expand...

I dont think my deck is thick enough to screw it into it. The hinge holes wont line up with the deck when the holes are flush. I guess I'll add a 1 x 2 there and around the hatch for support. I would of just used another easier to install hinge on the top, but I want it to look clean, and I paid 16 bucks for the hinge. :shock:

I said I would add a support as I did last night. Functional was meant towards the hinge resting on top. Whats your deal man?

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
Troutman3000 said:

dyeguy1212 said:

regardless of the hinge you need something to hold the hatch lid up. Otherwise your foot would be going through it every time.

Click to expand...

Right. I planned to use angle iron or a 1 x 2 to support the hatch. I even thought of installing the piano hinge on the top to avoid adding something else below, its not as "pretty, but its funtional.

Click to expand...

Doesn't sound functional to me... you'd I don't see any piano hinge holding a lid up on its own when you're standing on it :lol:

What's so hard to understand?

dyeguy1212 · Mar 30, 2010

Wait what/who are you quoting? If me, what did I say that was wrong? I didn't know if you added support or not man, all I was saying is that you can't hold a lid up with a hinge.

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
Wait what/who are you quoting? If me, what did I say that was wrong? I didn't know if you added support or not man, all I was saying is that you can't hold a lid up with a hinge.

You didnt read anything, and went on to say it wasnt functional if I put my foot through the hatch. I stated several times that I would add support. Am I missing something? I was only staing that the top of the piano hinge may rest on top if I dont have enough room to install inside the hatch.

perchin · Mar 30, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
Wait what/who are you quoting? If me, what did I say that was wrong? I didn't know if you added support or not man, all I was saying is that you can't hold a lid up with a hinge.

5th and 6th post.

dyeguy1212 · Mar 30, 2010

You never said you did it. It was all "I plan to do this" or I guess I'll do that.

Chill out man, its not like I said you don't know what you're doing, or that your mom is a cow.

Troutman3000 · Mar 30, 2010

dyeguy1212 said:
You never said you did it. It was all "I plan to do this" or I guess I'll do that.

Chill out man, its not like I said you don't know what you're doing, or that your mom is a cow.

It wans't said, but implied. Why do you feel the need to add useless comments and not offer a solution?

Im not going to go home and cry about it, however I dont understand what your point was?

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